All Pro vs Marlin Springs

[seth]

I am trying to put a mild lift togeather for my DD. Right now, I am looking at the longer than stock 3" rears from All Pro. The front springs is where I need some help. I am looking at All Pros fronts, as well as marlins. I have an 85, so I already have leaf spring mounts up there, and for these springs, they all seem to only work if you have a special front hanger. However, All Pro sells springs that work in the stock location, but the smallest lift they have is 4". Now, I have a 7MGE motor, and am getting a heafty Winch Bumper/Winch, so I am thinking the extra Inch will disappear under the extra weight. What should I do!?! :Help:
Money is a factor, and so is time, as one of the springs on there now is cracked in half.

[SuperDave]

Marlin all the way!!! Great customer service.. I'd pick them over allpro any day. I'm sure others will agree. I've heard too many horror stories about allpro. I've never had a prob. with all the stuff I got from Marlin.

[WildYoats]

All Pro has turned around 120% with customer service for some time now. I would not hesitate to order from either. Both have excellent products. For me, availability is important. I like to have my orders soon after I order. But that is a the impatient side of me.

[seth]

Ok, so I got off the phone with marlin crawler, and I just realized that if I move the axle forward, the stock steering will be fawked. Get X-over steering right, nope, got a 7MGE's oil pan sitting right there. YAY, I hate cars so much. Anybody know where you can get the old-school X-over where the tie rod goes UNDER the springs, or have a way to make X-over work with the Supra engine. I am going to play with the 8 pound sledge :cuss:

[Cody]

friggin' oil pans, anyway. FWIW, I'm running AP 5in springs, with a 4.3 and all the trimmings including a big ass bumper. The truck sat noticeably nose high at first, but after a year of use, it's sitting pretty level. I don't expect such a flexy spring to last forever, but so far, they've been good, though I support Marlin whenever possible.

[SuperDave]

Originally posted by WildYoats
All Pro has turned around 120% with customer service for some time now. I would not hesitate to order from either. Both have excellent products. For me, availability is important. I like to have my orders soon after I order. But that is a the impatient side of me. :kidding: Gee, your not sponsered by by them are you.....:kidding:

[SuperDave]

Originally posted by seth
Ok, so I got off the phone with marlin crawler, and I just realized that if I move the axle forward, the stock steering will be fawked. Get X-over steering right, nope, got a 7MGE's oil pan sitting right there. YAY, I hate cars so much. Anybody know where you can get the old-school X-over where the tie rod goes UNDER the springs, or have a way to make X-over work with the Supra engine. I am going to play with the 8 pound sledge :cuss: Why wouldn't the stock steering work with a dropped drag link? Mine was moved forward 2.5 in. with the stock steering.

[seth]

Really, thats what I was thinking. One day I want cross over, but I really don't have the money/time/patience to deal with it right now. Where did you get your drag link from?

[SuperDave]

Originally posted by seth
Really, thats what I was thinking. One day I want cross over, but I really don't have the money/time/patience to deal with it right now. Where did you get your drag link from? Man, I can't remember...I think Downey makes one, Rancho,Superlift.

[Chris Geiger]

I used to sell superlift drop drag links for use with 4" lift springs. I got so many complaints back from customers I Just stopped selling them. When you move the axle forward the already short drag link gets even shorter and binding problems are compounded. J arm failure is much greater when lifted.

[seth]

Do you guys still carry the old style of cross over where the tie rod goes under the leaf springs?

[WildYoats]

Originally posted by SuperDave
:kidding: Gee, your not sponsered by by them are you.....:kidding:

No, I am not sponsored by them. They advertise on our board and I buy their products. I only allow companies that have it together advertise with us. Only the best for you all! :beer:

[JD EVANS]

for what its worth i would definitely get the Marlin springs, what if you moved the steering box forward?

[seth]

Originally posted by JD EVANS
for what its worth i would definitely get the Marlin springs, what if you moved the steering box forward?

I looked at it, and I would hit the body in half an inch, and if I cut it up, It would interfear with my pusher fan from the swap. Plus remounting the steering box would be a major PITA, I'd rather just a shorter drag link for now, or find a way to get X-over without having to make a custom oil pan/pickup, cause the pickup on there now is cast aluminum, and its not fun to deal with.

Right now I am thinking 3" All Pro rears, and 4" all pros or marlins in the front, and just breaking down and making/buying new lower front spring mounts. I think I am going to have more then enough weight in the front (250+ over stock) to sag the springs down quick. I am also thinking Old Man Emu shocks, but they are sort of pricey, any other suggestions?

Right now, I am just looking for the magic steering solution.

BTW, thanks to everyone for the input :Thumbsup:

[FatAzzRunner]

OOoohh, 3" in the back??

Keep in mind AP's rear springs are soft and the rear will settle after some use. Well, do you have a bed and if so, do you keep it loaded much?? If not you may be o.k.

Ask around some of the "PROS" on here. But I would run the 4" springs all the way around if you dont have a 4Runner with the hard top. If you are running a 4Runner with a hard top I would get the 5"s in the back. Within 2 runs with my AP 5.5"s my truck settled and started sagging in the back end.

[FatAzzRunner]

I just read your sig line and saw you have a Runner.

See what some of the others have on here. With such a heavy motor, bumper, etc. You may need the same size on all the springs and the weight of the rear of the runner and the weight of the front of your truck may turn out just right with the same size springs.

[Chris Geiger]

Originally posted by seth
Do you guys still carry the old style of cross over where the tie rod goes under the leaf springs?

No, we only carry high steer crossover steering.

[seth]

85 Runner, 36" TSL's, 5" All-Crap lift, super birfs, detroited front, spooled rear, bikini top, 5.29's and Marlin Crawler w/4.7 gears(TS)

All Crap Lift? You sound a little less than thrilled with the performace of your lift. I am starting to lean torwards the Marlin Fronts (come in 3"), and go with 3" or 4" all pro's in the rear, (unless chris has some good news) in the rear. Any comments about the all pro's (or marlins) sagging over time would be great.

[FatAzzRunner]

Well, to be honest, I have All-Crap on there due to my extreme disatisfaction with an employee who used to be employed there at AP. I absolutely hated AP for a long time but due to changes in personell, I do have to say I like them much better. I am trying to forget about his issues since he has stepped up to a better company and has seemed to (for the most part) change for the better himself.

After his posting on another board explaining things, I can see his anger with his former employer.

I used to have that on all the boards I visit but have forgotten to change it back to All-Pro.

It will be fixed soon.

My AP springs in the back are bent and its not from not running bumpstops, it is from my stupidity and my lead foot.

[Chris Geiger]

Our rear springs will be here in less then 4 weeks.

[2DollahWheeler]

Buy Marlin. You will get them when promised. With allpro, who knows how long you will wait (ask korrupted). Plus, Marlin strives to make a QUALITY product. Jon at Allpro trys to make the cheapest in order to make more $$$. Example - broken hi-steer arms. I know a few who have broken all pro arms.

All the guys at Marlin are helpful, and when something goes wrong, they make it right.

[booger weldz]

i wouldnt buy any of their springs. they cost $$$$$$$$$ and all leaf springs wear out and need to be replaced. save that money for gears and lockers, crawl box etc. go to your junkyard and get leafs that work just as good(maybe better)....


i had a pack made of toyota rear leafs and all pro leafs(combined) i launched up a waterfall in tank trap and busted all the all pro leafs in half, the toy rear leafs are still under my brothers jeep...

its your $...

[FatAzzRunner]

I gotta agree with Booger on this.

If I had it all to do over again I would run junkyard springs. I just cant see paying that kind of money for springs now that I know what I know these days.

[thewoobie]

Seth,
It's Brenkle. There is no option of putting in a new rear pickup and oil pan? If not, I am pretty sure I have seen someone who sells the Y arm style steering arms for our application. After taking apart the stock steering and putting in Marlin's high steer, the 'beef' difference between stock and aftermarket is amazing. If I could just get my steering box to stop leaking now. For springs...just find some junkyard springs or someone who is selling some aftermarket springs on a forum. They'll work. Trust me. Matt

PS: I will be coming to get my grinder soon. I'll bring your allens back. Unless you still need the grinder

[seth]

Ok, when you de rears up front, are you supposed to use the old style short rears, or the 86+ long rears? Also, anybody got an extra one, as the main leaf on one of mine is in two pieces.

[2DollahWheeler]

Originally posted by Korrupted
You need IFS rear springs.


Not true. My rears in front are from an 85

[redbogger]

re: x-steering

for one. buy all pro. two. visit http://www.avalancheengineering.com/ they have steering arms that put the tie rod under the leaf springs and behind the axle so you dont hit if you go head on with a rock.

[seth]

So, so I need the longer or the shorter rear springs to put them up front?

[seth]

Ok, so rears from an IFS truck. If anybody has a set of these from a lift or some other reason, PM me and I'll hook you up with some $$. :Thumbsup: Its bascially free money if your not using the springs anymore!

[booger weldz]

all rear springs from 79-88(89 4runner) are 48'' long, 89-95 are 51''

[seth]

thanks booger, I was just under my truck measuring, and I thought that that would have been the length I wanted. So, I need either 1 rear spring from a 4runner, or two rear springs from a truck in that period, anybody got some?

[2DollahWheeler]

Originally posted by Korrupted
You need the IFS rears. They are longer, hence the flex more. $2Dollah is just a cheap bastard so he used the 85 springs he all ready had:rolleyes:


Read above biatch!! You need to get your Toy rears right buddy. You are lucky I don't come over there and donkey punch you. Oh, you are right I am a cheap bastard, BUT wait til I have coilovers. I will be the 2dollah ballah!!!!!!!!!!!

[2DollahWheeler]

I'm gonna give you the bottom half of the Shocker, or maybe I'll credit card you.

[SuperDave]

beeeep! denied. :puke:

[southern_yota]

this has me wonderin... i oredered some 44044's and plan on throwin 'em under my truck over thanksgiving break. i know steering will be a bit of an issue and now i have some questions. that draglink from avalanche, is that the only thing that you modify? just bolt-on? or should i go with the basic drop draglink. thanks for the help.