allpro front springs?

[mx924]

i have got to do something about my front suspension. there are 1/2" blocks along with angled shims, this is doing funny things to my front tires because the guy i picked this rig up from didn't know shiz about caster, camber, good craftsmanship, weldi..... anyways i have allpros 5.5" leafs in back and am thinking about purchasing their fronts that would relocate my axle foward about 1.5". my question is: 1. when i move the steering box foward (on my 94' sas) does the steering shaft have to be lengthened? also i noticed i would have to do some clearancing on the frame to be able to move it foward even 1". this is my daily driver so is this altered steering geometry going to screw me up that much? 2. what about my driveshaft? currently i have a clearanced ifs, nothin fancy, and it looks like it doesn't have too much room for messing with it. will i need a new one? i am assuming (dumb ques.) my front shaft doesnt turn when i am in 2wd so making a square one wouldn't be a big deal for me, but do i use the cv or ditch it for a good ol' fashioned u-joints at both ends (i hear they flex more) for that matter what do you guys think about running a spool up front? anyone running these on their sas yota? pics please:read:

[mx924]

i forgot to mention i have allpro hysteer

[redbogger]

im running allpro 5"ers up front on my 87' sas and they are great. and i dont know about moving your steering box but usually those things have alot of room to work with if you do. I didnt have to move mine. as for front driveline, i dont have one and am still looking for one that will work but im messing with some stuff to figure it out.

[mx924]

on mine, it looks like the drag link would hit the tie rod for sure. have you considered building your own front shaft out of reciever hitch tube? looks easy enough. i will probably build mine with u-joints at both ends.

[1985toyota]

im 16 and i built a great tubed shaft, i got the thick assed **************** but seems to work great ive gave it hell and no problems yet, it is HEAVY tho, and does vib pretty bad prolly at about 30 mph but i figured if im on the roads and i need 4wd i wont be going over 30 any ways lol right? ne who it is a very easy job to build one and they work great

[mx924]

thanks!

[redbogger]

that is true. if you have to move your steering box i would just get a ifs steering box and do X-over steering.

[mx924]

i do have allpro x-over steering

[redbogger]

oh, well if you have x over steering u dont have a draglink. just 2 tie rods. well if you have x over steering you shouldnt have to move your steering box with those allpro springs but it also depends on were you mounted it to when you put the ifs box on. well i think the allpro front springs are pretty good so good luck man.

[Oatmeal]

Ok, I know yours is a solid axle swap but, on my '85 when I moved my axle forward 2", I had to mount my box quite a bit forward to keep the drag link and tie rod from hitting each other (I have Marlin's cross over steering). I had to cut some of my core support out to make enough room so the box would sit where it needed to be. If I would have known what I know now, I would have gone with OTT's (the same one AOR sells) kit, as it has a shorter pitman arm and matching shorter steering arms so, that you don't have to move the box as far forward. You could probably use OTT's pitman arm with your existing system, as it's about (I believe:rolleyes: ) 3/4" shorter although, with your steering arms, it'll slow your steering down some (more wheel turning:eek: ). Oh, and the question (you did ask this, didn't you:confused: ) of there being enough steering shaft to accommodate the repositioning of the box: I have a 2" body lift and I moved my box considerably forward and I had just enough shaft left to reach it (you do know the shaft telescopes, right?) I've heard that the IFS trucks have a longer steering shaft than the solid axle trucks, though. However, I don't know that to be fact.........Hans

[Oatmeal]

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90517&highlight=square+drive+shaft Try here for info on square drive shafts;) ............Hans

[mx924]

yoou guys have been so helpful, i called allpro today and they said i shouldn't have to move my box at all. i always wondered what you would call the pitman to knuckle link, so i just called it the drag link!?!? anyway it looks like i will be ordering those springs tommorrow. thanks for the P4x4 link!

whats left: finish disc brakes, put in new locker, bob bed, make bumbe.....yes all these projects are going at once!:Freak: :boing

[leorn]

couple of things you might want to think about with the drive shaft and the spool. :read:

If you drive it on the road in winter there will be days yo will want to use 4 wheel drive. if you vibrate like hell at over 30 mph thats gonna be dangerous and frustrating.

If you have a spool up front on a snowy day your gonna have an even scarier drive. if its a trail only rig no worries if not get your driveshaft done and run a selectable locker like the electric locker or the arb! They will pay for themselves with the accidents that they prevent

[Oatmeal]

Originally posted by leorn

If you have a spool up front on a snowy day your gonna have an even scarier drive. if its a trail only rig no worries if not get your driveshaft done and run a selectable locker like the electric locker or the arb! They will pay for themselves with the accidents that they prevent I couldn't agree more!............Hans

[mx924]

well i just got a lockright for up front, and i am probably going to buy that hi pinion fj -80 with e-locker for out back. to be honest i kind of like 2-wheel drive in the winter. i "drift" around every corner and it makes donuts easier. winter is a fun time in my truck:boing

[leorn]

get the 4runner e-locker for the rear. the hp is weaker when you run it in the rear. the hp is also more expensive. If you are not planning on running very big tires, then the hp will be ok.

why do you like being forced to use 2wd in the winter.:Freak: yeah i like playin in the snow, but i like to be able to take my rig skiing, and to cabins as well!

[Oatmeal]

Originally posted by mx924
well i just got a lockright for up front, and i am probably going to buy that hi pinion fj -80 with e-locker for out back. to be honest i kind of like 2-wheel drive in the winter. i "drift" around every corner and it makes donuts easier. winter is a fun time in my truck:boing You might want to re-think that:rolleyes: You should run the lockright in back and the high pinion e-locker up front. The high pinion isn't really designed to run backwards 1) you're running on the coast side of the gears (approx. 20% reduction in strength) 2) you'll most likely experience pinion bearing oiling issues. There was a thread on the Pirate board (the "other" board:eek: ) about just this topic. Having the e-locker up front will allow you to steer your truck should you ever need to drive it in 4WD on an icy road (that never happens, does it?;) ) and your birfields will love you for not having the front end locked all the time. I run an open front end just for that reason and it hasn't hampered my off roading much, you just have to choose your lines a little more carefully (I do have an e-locker in the garage waiting for additional funds to re-gear it, though:D and a set of Profields waiting for the e-locker:eek:) ............Hans

[Oatmeal]

Here you go read this........Hans http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=292174&page=1&pp=25

[mx924]

i just talked to the guy i'm buying the hp from 2 minutes ago and he said the same thing, they didn't get proper oiling an went through r&p's oh well that would have been cool. well, looks like i will be searching for a trd rear end. are these hard to find? what about the ABS system, my truck doesn't have it. until then looks like a lockright:rolleyes:

[Oatmeal]

You could check here: www.tacomaterritory.com I found mine there, picked it up for $420 shipped :D ..........Hans

[mx924]

thats a steal, is $500 for a hi-pinion fj-80 with e-locker too much? its really gonna help my shaft angle up front. oh, were is the for sale section of that site, i am internetically challanged

[Oatmeal]

Originally posted by mx924
thats a steal, is $500 for a hi-pinion fj-80 with e-locker too much? its really gonna help my shaft angle up front. oh, were is the for sale section of that site, i am internetically challanged No, that's a great price, perfect for the front end. Re-gearing is a little pricey, though............Hans