Why not spring under on a SAS?

[s-10s_rule]

Hi, I'm going to be doing a SAS on my Toyota one of these days, and I am mainly concerned about the highway handling. I was thinking about having custom leafs made and running the front end sprung under to help with stability. Has anybody tried this, and typically how much worse does a SAS truck handle than when it had IFS? I'm really doing this SAS out of necessity because the LS1 I'm putting in my truck won't clear the center section with IFS. The offroad stuff is really more of a bonus. :grin:
I was also thinking about a three link with coilovers, what do yall think will handle the best?

[22REkid]

If you are only worried about on road handling than I think a spring under will do you good. If you take it rock crawling, do a spring over. I always do spring under because of the lower center of gravity and high speed stability. I don't rock crawl though. You will notice a big difference in the handling on a SAS and IMO not for the better. A 3 or 4 link in front would be even worse for handling body roll+ a lot of articulation= ill handling :thumbdown

[TRunner]

Sway bars are good for the road :rolleyes: just do something a little more rigid than the stock setup, and make disconnects for the rocks! I would also add a trac bar while you're there, you'd be amazed how much the front wraps. of course you could do the 4-link with sway bar and would have no wrap and good street manners.

[azredliner]

I saw this thread the other day and I didn't want to reply to it because it was so rediculous. Everyone with a "spring under" is dying for a "spring over". Now there's this "person" (I wanted to say something else, but I'll be nice) wanting to replace a "spring over" with a "spring under". Did you vote for Bush too? :dunno:

[Ric]

Just because his wants or needs are different than yours, or most peoples, desnt mean, that you have to be rude about it, or bring politics into it.
Maybe he doesnt want a spring over, maybe he does alot of highway driving. :rolleyes:

[azredliner]

Just because his wants or needs are different than yours, or most peoples, desnt mean, that you have to be rude about it, or bring politics into it.
Maybe he doesnt want a spring over, maybe he does alot of highway driving. :rolleyes:

Do us all a favor. Cut the sissy act. This ain't summer camp and we don't need you to play "Post Police".

Evidently, s-10s_rule, can take a joke or my comment didn't bother them. If it didn't bother them, why in the HELL is it bothering you?

You better give yourself a ticket for hijacking the man's thread. :spanka:

[bbagwell]

Doing a spring under on the rear would make some sense to help prevent axle wrap. A spring under on the front would lose a lot of ground clearence. Basically I think it would cost more, and I don't see any real benefit of doing it.

[Ric]

azredliner, are you always this rude ? others can give comments or thoughts even ideas, without being rude or bringing politics into, just because they dont agree or see why someone would want to do something different than yourself.
if it was a joke Im sorry, but it didnt seem like it, if you would like to discuss this futher, you can PM me

[bbagwell]

Yes he is always this rude :grin: . You just have to get used to him.

[Ric]

ohh ok, lol see people can tell hes kidding, by the smiley face, no harm no foul.

[22REkid]

Everyone with a "spring under" is dying for a "spring over".
Azredliner, I love ya' brother, but I have to disagree with that statement. I say the spring under vs. spring over argument comes down to how you use it. S10s_rule (they don't :grin: ) only wants on road comfort. Minimal offroad and highway stability. I think a spring under would suit him just fine.

[azredliner]

Phuket!

People look too deep into stuff. What I said was to be some phun sarcasm, with a Bush joke thrown in.

As far as I'm concerned, take the springs out and set the phrame down on the axles.

Now is anyone bothered by the idea that I substituted "ph" for the "f" in this dialog? If this upsets you....

Kiss myhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a383/azredliner/Smileys/10_6_8_1_.gif

[azredliner]

Azredliner, I love ya' brother...
I love you too, Kid. Can't a guy have some fun, without someone crying?

[toyotatuner]

:rofl: :lol:
IMO... :devillook
I think that a stock height spring over is stable, under, i dont see a problem with either, hopefully clearance will never be an issue though, you may be dissapointed later on with the spring under though, it is a 4x4...
-Johnny

[Ric]

I say the spring under vs. spring over argument comes down to how you use it. S10s_rule (they don't ) only wants on road comfort. Minimal offroad and highway stability. I think a spring under would suit him just fine. thank you, you said it better than i did, be careful, someone might get thier panties in a bind, your not agreeing with them. :rofl:

[azredliner]

thank you, you said it better than i did, be careful, someone might get thier panties in a bind, your not agreeing with them. :rofl:

I don't wear panties because of the binding problem. :lol:

[ryan]

:lol: now thats funny :rofl:

[hoss"87"toy]

:spanka: If all your worred about is handling on the freeway keep your "IFS" :spanka:

[Elvota]

Spring under: Lower COG (generally) way more up travel, limited down travel. Little axle wrap and springs can actually assist like ramps over obstacles. Helps offset lower ground clearance.

spring over: Highe COG (generally) way more down travel, limited up travel. Best ground clearance but can lead to axle wrap. Probably not an issue with most stock Toyota HP though.

[s-10s_rule]

Haha, wow, thanks for the replys! See guys, I had a 'rock crawler' for some time, it was sprung over in the front and had a 4-link in the rear, frame cut off behind the cab, full cage,race runner coilovers, everything. It did great offroad, but I could only use it every once in a while when I would go to the mountain, and that turned into not enough, so I traded it for a 4-wheeler. I know that if I can make this truck something that I can enjoy whenever I want, I'm going to get alot more use out of it=more fun. So I've been there with the whole extreme rock crawling setup and I just don't really want another one, at all. All I want is something to do general 4wd stuff if I want it too, and I really can't keep the IFS because...

1. I already took it all off
2. I'm putting an LS1 in it and the oil pan won't clear it without an ugly and expensive lift

Trust me guys, I'm not affraid to do some offroading, but I'm just being realistic with what will be more useful to me and not trying have the baddest rock crawler around. This thing will probly run pretty good with that LS1 in it and I don't want something that can't take a turn for shit out on the road. Does that kinda clarify the picture? Right now it is a 2 wheel drive ((GASP)), I took out the center section and left the suspension in tact, we'll see how it handles.... If anybody needs more reasons why I'm doing these things, feel free to ask. I'm totally cool with yall bashing me too, I'm not gonna get pissed about some letters on a screen wrote by someone that I never (and probly will never) meet. But thanks to some of you that came to my defense! And yes, I voted for Bush :grin: and have never regretted it.