ethical question

[keyice]

I work full time and fabricate at home full time. I live less than a mile from one of the big local mud holes and I see individuals get stuck sometimes daily. Most of the people in this area make about three times the money I make as serving uncle sam doesn't come close to the poverty line in the local area.

My question is this I have two toys that will go anywhere, and winches on the carriers and a massive powerstroke. After a few hours of being stuck the locals can't get out of there holes that they got there trucks stuck into. I offer to pull them out at 50 dollars a pop for moderately stuck, 25 for little stuck and 100 for stuck stuck. Do you guys feel it is morally wrong to capitalize on others lack of common sense??

[wrnchplr]

How better to learn then be stuck for an hour and then pay out the @$$ to get pulled out. I did it in utah 2-3 years ago there was a huge snow storm, all day I was pulling people out. $10 it is cheaper then a tow truck.

[FLArunner86]

i mean it depends,
like me im in college and would prob sit there untill i got ahold of someone or if someone like u came by and i had absolutely no money... then wat would u do???
its not like i wouldnt be willing to pay u but what if it wasnt right away or if offered to wash ur truck for getting it muddy in return?
i think thats were ethics come in, if u see an h2 with some yuppy f*ck stuck then yeah he can offord it but if its a....well u know

[vigilantejustic]

I think that's a fair price, if you get stuck stuck stuck and you can't get yourself out then you need to get the lesson...


I think if the person absoloutly has no money and they need to get out I'd do it, but I'd atleast want some beer afterwards :p

[bbagwell]

As long as you tell them up front it is going to cost them, then I see no problem. Make them hook the strap to there vehicle too so they have to get out and get all muddy.

[mjflatbed]

I don't see it as an ethical question unless someone got stuck by accident. Then you should pull them out for free. The people stuck had a choice and they weren't thinking. I mean we all have been stuck. I guess I have a bad attitude, I have pulled out and brought people back in from the mountains in the winter way more than I should have had to, as we would find them while Lion hunting in the winter. People totally unprepaired, drunk, and hopefully wiser when they got home. The other point you invested in your hard earned cash for a winch so why not try and get some back. Third I bet no one has ever come asked up front to see if you would help IF they got stuck, they just try and make you the bad guy if you won't.

Damn I think you hit a NERVE! :spanka:

[22REkid]

I've found in my years of driving Yotas that don't get stuck that you will find a bunch of knuckleheads (mostly Chevy and Ford drivers) that get their vehicles into situations that the Yota wouldn't. Anyhow, I would say that about 90 percent of the people that I have ever pulled out have given me something in return, money, beer but I have never asked for anything. I would think if the people were in a good financial standing, they would probably use money to reward you, since thay have enough to throw around.

[Big-E]

Do you guys feel it is morally wrong to capitalize on others lack of common sense??


Why not.. Divorce attorneys do it :lol: The only time I'd see a problem with trying to capitalize from it is if they are in danger. Then I think compassion sets in.. On the other hand, there are morons out there who come off as complete jerks and I wouldn't pull'em out for any amount of money :mad: That's when self gratification sets in.. :redspotda

[Devils Dream]

If you go out to play in the mud, you know you are going to get stuck. If you can't get yourself out via winch, shovel, or buddy, you better expect to pay to get pulled out. Try to call a tow service to come out and pull you out, you will pay out the @$$ for that. So I think it is fair what you are doing.
I would make it very clear that you are not responsible for damages if they occur. Also make them hook the hook to their own rig.

Casey

[Freakyodaking]

It really depends on the situation that got them there and the risk of dammage to your own vehicle and self. take this tale of woe.

I was out at the Rio Puerco, way in the back on a trail that was CLEARLY used by trucks. I was in "ultra-low" gear doing about 10 to 15 mph. Out from around the blind corner comes a dirtbike with a 10 yr old on the back doing about 45 to 50. I swerved to miss him and rolled off the road and fliped on my lid. naturally the kid didn't even stop to see if I was ok. My passenger had a broken arm and I had a big cut (requiring 11 stitches later) on my forhead. this was around 26 miles from the nearest road and in a place only the God of all wreckers MIGHT get to. but at about 2000.00 bucks to get me out! anyway within about 45 min 2 jeeps go driving by waving. they didn't even care about a truck on its side. later we got a ride out by, of all things , a yoda driver! I left the truck there and came back the next day. 3 import 4x's and a international guy helped me get it off the cliff and on it's wheels and Patches climbed out by it's self. but the moral of the story is that sometimes @#$% happens and you pay for other peoples mistakes. If this had happend to you would you have wanted to pay for a pull (that took 3 trucks and 1.5 hours)or would you even charge in a situation like that? I couldn't GIVE those guy's money, they wouldn't accept it! but stupid stuck TAX THAT #ss

[superstarai]

That sounds like alot of bs to just get pulled out cause people do not need to spend money like that, they have it tough enough as it is anymore. Everyday gets harder and harder to just have enough for your self to get stuff you want, i would recommed that they get the tools before they go so they do not have to spend money later to get themseleves out, like winiches, shovels etc. To me that is a big waste of money. All the coperations are punks and think they know everthing which they dont. It is just stupid coperation america! period. Like espn buying out abc for monday night football, bs espn who talks about nothing and nothing and same old shite. Blah blah. As u can see it just gets worse every year for the average person to make money and try to keep it and actually use it for clothes, or whatever she or he wants, cause of prices keeep going up, and traveling costs go up where are we going in this world i have no idea. But its a scary road we are travelling. Good luck guys and gurls out there be postive. See ya later. :redspotda

[keyice]

glad to see you guys really are pretty much like me, I look at it this way, my risk on parts, snaps, chains, and so on. Buddies I usually pull for free but if it becomes a daily habit I get tired of it. Worst one took me 4 hours to get out and I blew the ps line on my stroke for it, but in the end couple of kids were really stuck and they thought it was ubsurd for me to even ask for a little dough so I let them dig for 6 hours, moral to the story 33s in a 38 ruts don't cut it. I figured I would ask because most of these guys aren't even paying for their own trucks, how 16 year old running around with full exo's, fearless attitudes, and no common sense I can't count. If you build your rig yourself you respect it more, kind of like a self made millionare vs a lotto winner. Not everyone has the ability to fab or the knowledge to set gears I will help you for cheap usually if you want to learn and your there to help.

[keyice]

oh yeah local wrecker won't go off pavement here, and if they have to winch they charge like 5 bucks a foot for cable or chain

[Freakyodaking]

There's only 1 "wrecker" that will here and it costs 200 bucks if he locks his hubs to get u out, but he NEVER fails to get you out! And I agree, if your gonna play, you got to pay! if some "dances with wolves" driver thinks he can make it and don't, he breaks the golden rule, " Don't put your rig into a place without knowing the place, AND what your RIG CAN DO!!!" That will usually keep you out of the dog house. If you don't heed that rule then it's a pay day for the guy who pulls you out. Don't even wait for him to ask, just pull out your wallet and say "how much?"

[Ric]

i would never "charge" someone.. i may be stuck someday, if i was stuck, and someone came up and said "ill pull ya out for $50" id laugh at him, and tell him i have a buddy coming that will pull me out for free. but thank you..
and yes, id go anywhere to pull out a buddy of mine, and no i wouldnt charge him, not even for gas.

[yota711]

hey guys great thread...i just had to comment in on what Keyice said about the "fearless and countless 16 year olds" who dont have any respect for theeir vehicles in which they probly didnt buy in the first place so they probly dont have the respect for them that they should. i am a 16 year old and i totally respect that. i live in a small town in iowa, and our wheelin consists of whatever we can find, which is more than you would think. i have a couple friends that have trucks and we have lots of fun. one friend has a 93 toy which he recently rolled but we are rebuilding it, another friend has a 86 f-150 with a 3"er and 33's, and another friend has a NICE newer dakota 4x4, and i have a 92 toy. now, these ppl are all my friends, but tell me which one got his truck handed to him? yea...the dodge guy. the rest of us all bought our rigs, and put the gas in them. i dont know about them, but i get my insurence paid, UNTIL i f*ck up. i saved practically all summer to get my rig. and i does make me feel good to know that i bought it, and i own it. i try to do all the work that needs to be done, and i got my dad for help (welder/fabricator for 24 years). plus i know all the mechanics in town so i got all the hook ups. but i jsut thought id tell you this so ya'll knew that all the 16-18 year olds out there werent rich little spoiled teens. but there is alot of them, and a couple are my friends. but oh well...i know ALOT about trucks, i know mine inside and out, and they well...dont know their rig at all, cept how to put gas in it. if something involving trucks needs looked at, they call me, and my friend got blessed with electronical ability to know how to do schematics hardcore, so we got off pretty lucky. well thats all i got for now...ttyl... :grin:

[vigilantejustic]

School is a good thing, stay in it....

He's not saying all 16 year olds are like that, but not many of that age group can afford their own truck with mods unless their parents take a big part in it. I remember when I was 16 I thought I was the shit, just like everyone else, I thought I knew my vehicle inside and out (not saying you don't) and looking back I realize I didn't know very much at all, and that I took a lot of stupid risks I would now not take.

[mnmstoy]

Do you guys feel it is morally wrong to capitalize on others lack of common sense??
Getting back to your question. I say do it!!!! easy money for you. The only thing that would hinder you are set you back.....is if they or you damage your truck helping them out. A strap can bust as well as a chain. Being that they don't know much. Take charge if they need to get pulled out and think of saftey first....If they can't handle that drive away. Simple. Maybe get some advice and draw up a disclaimer form for them to sign if damage should happen to their vehicles. If they are under age...get them to call their parents(I would make them show up) as they are minors and I don't think their word or signature would hold up in court.
Morals.....if I am wheeling with friends or in a group then that goes without pay. Free no questions ask...maybe a beer. Help as much as you can.
Mike

[ZUK]

Keyice----your pm box is full and you have no email addy to respond to.....here's the latest update---------------------

ok....I was at Ace Hardware and got the sku# for the SPACER BUSHING as they are called on the black trays. it's 39008-31913 and they cost 1.13 each. They are usually 70 or 81 thou in thickness. They are 1.375 ID X 2.125" OD The box # is SB-138-14 but I think the sku is better to use.

[SASvanguy]

Stuck my first van, V.D. , twice first cost me 20$, and I woulda paid 100$ if I'd a hadit, second was an old fishing guy in a f-150, no charge.

Both driver stupidity, wife and I wanted to check out vacant house and drink a beer, second time I rolled to the back of the house to drink the beer,, I bounced off my ruts into the fresh repiled dirt form them digging the well, buried it over the warners immediatley.

Second we were trying to find a swimming hole, and I saw others parked down by the shoreline, and I slipped further off then they did, no locker, and the driver side was buried.

So, if you can profiteer, go for it, but if they are a broke dick, have some compassion.


Peace.