suspension questions

[toyrunner95]

ok guys im really up the creek on this one and i need your help.

i have a 84 toyota pickup with some kind of suspension, i think they are wagoneer springs in the rear and something up front, the truck is bobbed and the front perches in the rear are moved forward. and widened. now the rear and front shackles are at 90 degrees. bad thing. i dont have the measurements for the legenth of the springs but i need some answers. i need a hysteer and i need more flex. right now a go kart has more flex than this thing. im running 35X14sx15r and they rub, i know that wheel spacers will take care of that i have them being made. what kind of springs do you guys suggest. i was thinking chevy 63s without a couple leaves. or allpro or marlin or something. i dont want to move the perches again. im afraid the frame will be weakened. i will try and get some meaturements of the springs but i need some suggestions and ideas and what not.

so what do u think?

[KToy]

well regardless your gonna have to move the leaf springs hangers.

if money is no issues then

www.marlincrawler.com

www.aor4x4.com

or do what i did. fab your own stuff and throw toyota rears up front and 2wd 63 chevys in the rear.

[toyrunner95]

yeah im thinking im going to have to move the hangers, i really dont want to though, maybe i can just get a new set and torch off the old ones, they look pretty shoddy anyway, i have had no feed back about the marlin set up, but i have had feed back about AOR. great springs but crappy customer service, my buddy just did a sas on a 4runner and it took AOR a year to get him the right springs that he ordered. the product is great but they need to meet the demand, plus i dont have 2k to throw at a PAIR of spring packs.

plus i need a whole set up at once, i dont want to piece together something, i might mimik something but i dont want to build my own, i dont have enough down time to piece something together and work out all the kinks. i almost need a plug and play set up. im not saying an over night job. but between work, school, and sleep, i only have a few hours a day to work on things if i come home at all. the truck is 300 miles away from me at my parents house. so i need something i can do in a week or so.

wait i got an idea, u have 63's in the rear and toy 2wd's up front. then all i would need is a hysteer kit and some now shockmounts, that would save me like 1500 bucks!!! how did you do your 63's i need details?

[KToy]

it will take you longer to run 2wd 1/2 ton chevies in the rear and toyota 4wd rears up front.


if your gonna buy a kit you need to buy marlins.

if your gonna run toy rears up front you are gonna have to fab a ton of stuff.

took me 3 months to do the original sas with toy rears up front and chevies in the rear cuz i had no clue what i was doing. sounds like it would tkae you a good month to finish with just a couple of hours here and there.

i did and allpoop kit in a weekend.


but if you do decide to run chevies you need them centered and on a 84 toy im not sure where your mounts would be but to get you started you could buy all the bracketry


since its solid axle truck you might could do it in a couple of weeks. here is what you can do to get you started


buy these
http://www.marlincrawler.com/images/2005_123_500.jpg

and these
http://www.marlincrawler.com/images/2005_146_500.jpg

thats for your rear setup.

then buy this

http://www.budbuilt.com/new/shackles.html

banana shackles are for the rears up front so they sit right.

also i would suggest welding on a front spring hanger like this

http://www.marlincrawler.com/images/hanger_500.jpg


then its a matter of measuring and welding

also you might want shock hoops or f250 shock towers are a bit cheaper but do not look as good.

http://www.marlincrawler.com/hoops.html
http://www.budbuilt.com/new/shock_mounts.html
http://www.budbuilt.com/new/spring_hangers.html
http://www.rocklogic4x4.com/store/index.php?action=item&id=104&prevaction=category&previd=7&prevstart=12
http://www.rocklogic4x4.com/store/images/products/ShockTowers.jpg

[toyrunner95]

yeah im ok with making stuff like shock mounts and hoops, i cant use a cross bar for the hangers becasue i already boxed the frame and miscalculated the rear piece of channel size so it hangs down, its part of my bumper. i can cut it off and then weld the cross bar to it and then it will be pleanty strong. fabrication is something im OK at but im not a pro. if anything i weld like helen keller. shock hoops and whatnot i can make the easy stuff.
its more the u-bolt flip kits and break lines and all that other jazz that im going to need to buy. im not doing a complete sas i already have a solid front so the only other thing i can think of is the hysteer or over the top or whatever. the springs and packs and stuff should be easy.

[KToy]

www.marlincrawler.com for steering.

[toyrunner95]

wow if i got the 63s and a 4x4 rears, the hangers and a hysteer i am lookin at like a grand for the whole set up, hmm not bad, i bed i could do it for 800

thanks for the input, keep in touch. i may need to bounce things off you.

[KToy]

ok sounds good. also you can get brake lines from marlin crawler.

[toyrunner95]

yeah theres a place local that makes them for like 20 bucks, braided stainless. i have connections. hahahaha

[toyrunner95]

hey
are these
http://www.budbuilt.com/new/spring_hangers.html
for the front or rear, im guessing the front end of the rear springs since they are designed for chevys.

this set up is going to be so easy on my truck espically the rear. its almost bolt on, hehe im getting all excited now. so far the setup just in bracketry is going to be like 150 to 200 bucks, not bad. springs are like 100-200 so im lookin at like 800 bucks total. thats well within my budget.

so how does this setup work for you? is it really flexy or moderate or what? and did you use s-10 psrings or 1/2 ton or what? and did you take any leaves out?

[KToy]

1992 2wd chevy 1/2 ton springs with the overload taken out. and they flex very well. the only complaint is they are so long that they tend to drag on a lot of rocks.

but no biggie cuz they heavy duty chevy springs.


but ya the rear is very easy. i think the front can be easy depends on how clean you want it to look.

[fourwd1]

hey
are these
http://www.budbuilt.com/new/spring_hangers.html
for the front or rear, im guessing the front end of the rear springs since they are designed for chevys.

They are for mounting the front of the Chevy 63" (full size p/u) springs.
They're great (better than Sky's, IMO).
You mount them 11" forward of the stock hanger.

[toyrunner95]

um yeah... right.... stock spring hanger... there isnt one on my truck. but thats cool, i think that the guy before me moved them forward already. ill wing it. it will work one way or another, ok so 1/2 ton 2wd chevy rear springs. no prob, lots of chevy nuts around my house.

yeah im not too worried about drag because up here in washington theres not too many rocks, just mud and ruts and stumps. besides as long as the welds hold ill be good.

o and hey will 86 4runner rears work? i got a line on them for like 50 bucks.

[KToy]

ya they will they sag a bit cuz of the extra weight compared to toy trucks but the exact same spring.

[toyrunner95]

im wondering if i should put a fuel cell in it, just to give me some more space under there. what do you think?

[KToy]

nah y get rid of a perfectly good gas tank that holds gas and feeds fuel....... plus its already mounted.

[toyrunner95]

hmmm tuche' (pronounced too-shay) but its kinda in the wrong spot. its right in the way of everything.

[toyrunner95]

ok more questions,

what shackles did you use or did you fab up your own, for the rear end. i think the bud builts will work great for the front but im not sure about the rear?

i cant believe i found 4 winches all for under 400 bucks, 2 warns, a ramsey and a super winch all with winch plates at the place where i got the chevy 63s

[KToy]

i made mine out of straight metal
its 2 wide and 10 foot length at 3/8 thick steel

then i cut to length and drilled holes.


mine are 8 inches eye hole to eye hole

[toyrunner95]

ok should i put braces between the pieces for rigidity. and how much lift did u get from this, what size tires are u running, i like my 35x14s if i get spacers then it will be almost perfect.

now if i could just get my computer to work as well as my truck.

[KToy]

i did not put a support in my shackle

im running 42 iroks

every 2 inch longer than stock shackles gives you 1 inch of lift.

so my 8 inch shackles gave me 2 inches of lift.

[JOKER]

For the 63"ers.....

If ya got the time, tools build your own rear spring hangers and make them a nice wedge shape so they won't hang.
http://www.4x4republic.com/southwestvoodoo/chevyspringswap/P1010066.jpg

I used 1/2" bar for the rear shakles no cross brace. They are 9" eye to eye and I did not move the hanger
http://www.4x4republic.com/southwestvoodoo/chevyflexcheck/shkle004.JPG

Rear shock towers are ford F-250's mounted on the inside of the frame straight up through the bed.
http://www.4x4republic.com/southwestvoodoo/chevyflexcheck/shock_towers/P1010073.jpg
http://www.4x4republic.com/southwestvoodoo/chevyspringswap/6/P1010082.jpg

[KToy]

just so you know when u dont move ur rear hanger back and u dont move your front hanger far enough you limit your flex. if u moved ur rear hanger back you would get more flex. it should be like a 60-70 degree angle IN MY OPINION.

most ppl say 45 degrees

[toyrunner95]

ok thanks for the pics joker, his set up is close to what i will be doing. my truck is bobbed about the same so i cant really move them back BUT i can move the front forward a bit. i will see if i can get some pics on here.

my comp fried its hard drive so i lost everything so i have to take some new pics.

www.cardomain.com
go there and search for toyrunner and you will see my truck and some of the most recent pics. but alot of the bed is gone and so are the fenders for now.

[JOKER]

just so you know when u dont move ur rear hanger back and u dont move your front hanger far enough you limit your flex. if u moved ur rear hanger back you would get more flex. it should be like a 60-70 degree angle IN MY OPINION.

most ppl say 45 degrees

The short azzed Rauncho Shocks are my big limiting factor, I have alrerady torn one lose and had to repair it because the axle was pulling down on the shock. I plan to try the SkyJacker Platinum shocks in a longer length. I have about 45deg now.

[KToy]

coool